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can we help out with sound fxs too  

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digitalzombie
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05/02/2019 10:52 pm  

hi

can we help out with sound fxs too ?  that would be cool if we could

in a way someone has something in there area of sounds that could be useful ,  i am near a few rivers and water falls

and birds and wild life sounds , i use a tascam dr-05 for my sounds

just asking


Fred The Fantastical
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04/03/2019 1:54 pm  

and the assets for footage crate? that would make getting the assets that you need a lot easier because there would be more people to make them.


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funnyfisher7
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19/03/2019 10:43 pm  

This idea is neat, but also (could be) quite revolutionary.  If the production crate community is permitted to submit/add sound effects then it seems logical to be able to add video assets as well as @creeperjacob8 asked.  Creeperjacob also pointed out that there would be more effects which would be awesome!  However, that would only be the case if we had a good base of people submitting things. 
Personally, I think that this is a very good consideration but that the Production Crate admins should consider the logistics of how this would be done very carefully.  

Would you all really like it if just anyone could upload footage to the community at any point?  This could be misused to upload inappropriate content. 🙁  I know this may sound ridiculous, but we should consider possibilities and preclude them.  

I would suggest that a member may submit a SFX or video effect.  Then the Production Crate team would take a look at the submissions and "permit" or "reject" them.  The permitted ones would be available under their respective categories and for free (non-pro), since I'm guessing that pro wouldn't be required.  

This would be cool, but also could possibly revolutionize this website into more of a community based sharing of effects where you can also pay to get pro effects that are better.   😀  I hope that all makes sense.  And I do hope that @admins will consider this :). 

EDIT: Rykka cleverly noted that there might be copyright issues as well, 🙁  See below for more.

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Fred The Fantastical
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28/03/2019 10:42 am  

What if this could also be like a 3d site that was called... render crate! this would also be helpful for thing like animating: dinos, cars, and other things that that could be animated, and could be good to have in a video, for example if someone could upload a zombie model and rig and we could animate it to do different things or actions that might not be found elsewhere (like dancing). Also I do not think it would be too hard for the admins to check to see if the effect is appropriate if they were limited to one effect per video, so if you were uploading a shockwave the submission would have to be one shockwave (so like 3 seconds) not a 3 minute long one of multiple shock waves. then the admins could just scroll through them and look at them fast.


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Rykka
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29/03/2019 10:13 pm  

The main problem with this that I see is something we ran into with a similar system on one of my old business projects. Where it was submission based, and then vetted. It requires everything submitted to be scrutinized before publishing, which can be a time intensive (And expensive, someone has to be paid to sift through and test all of this) process all its own, but the real danger comes in the form of rights and usage. Maaaannnnnnnnyyyyyyy times, we ran into people "submitting" content from either other websites, or more depressingly, indie developers from around the web as their own content. This can be super hard to track down, and can be really damaging (and potentially legally problematic) for everyone involved. Lawsuits happened. Many of them.

Not to say it can't be done, but it does come with a healthy amount of complications. 

tl:dr, people suck and ruin great concepts. 


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funnyfisher7
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08/04/2019 8:50 pm  

@creeperjacob8 
That sounds pretty neat!  I think you are going a totally different route there, but that sounds cool.  I am pretty sure that what you described was just like the new Render Crate section the admins added recently.  🙂  😉 
You said:

Also I do not think it would be too hard for the admins to check to see if the effect is appropriate if they were limited to one effect per video, so if you were uploading a shockwave the submission would have to be one shockwave (so like 3 seconds) not a 3 minute long one of multiple shock waves. then the admins could just scroll through them and look at them fast.

And I agree that looking over little clips would not be super hard to find inappropriate stuff, but, Rykka pointed out that that is not the only issue. (Also, I hadn't thought of that, so thank you @rattrais !) The greater problem would be people submitting stuff that wasn't their own, and then that is illegal.  (see his/her comment)  


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funnyfisher7
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08/04/2019 9:03 pm  

@rattrais  

Thank you for pointing that out!  :O 

I had honestly not thought of that implication  🤔.  

First of all, I just wanted to check: 

Where it was submission based, and then vetted.

When you said that, I think you meant "voted" right? 

Now that you point out the copyright and plagiarism problem, I think that letting anyone submit things would most likely result in at least a few instances of careless copying from other sites or YouTube.  (ATTENTION:  Just because it is on YouTube does not mean it is legally there!  But that's another discussion for another time 😉. )

You said:

the real danger comes in the form of rights and usage. Maaaannnnnnnnyyyyyyy times, we ran into people "submitting" content from either other websites, or more depressingly, indie developers from around the web as their own content. This can be super hard to track down, and can be really damaging (and potentially legally problematic) for everyone involved. Lawsuits happened. Many of them.

Yikes!  I had not thought of that...  That really stinks, to say the least. 🙁 

Well, I think after that thought, allowing just anyone to submit entries could be pretty bad.  🤔 
I think the idea could still be viable though if, say, only certified people were allowed to submit things.  But at that point, that would sort of just be like more work for the admins to find people (such as myself, or you) and then talk with them and decide that person is reliable enough to only submit self created content. 🙂  Until, next time, Have a nice day! 


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Fred The Fantastical
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09/04/2019 11:18 am  

 funnyfisher7 I had not thought of that either but won't just the person who submitted the fx it be in trouble? Not production crate? also maeby there could be a report button?

I hope this works out and the admins consider it.

 


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funnyfisher7
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09/04/2019 8:22 pm  

Hmmm, That's a thought @creeperjacob8... 

Maybe Rattrius ( @rattrais ) would know who gets in trouble? 
And, a report button would be good.  And when you click report, it would be good if it had the option to explain why the FX was bad, so that someone who was reporting it could include a link that would show where the perpetrator got the effect. 


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Rykka
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26/04/2019 5:27 am  

Can 100% confirm that it is the distributor that the lawyers go after, not the uploader. The uploader might be banned or blocked by the distributor (which is meaningless in an open system where anyone can make a new account) but they are still held liable for the content on their website. 


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Fred The Fantastical
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28/04/2019 6:13 pm  

Well, that is annoying.

There is no way around it?


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Chris Kelly
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11/06/2019 9:43 pm  

This is definitely something we've considered but it is true, the legal restrictions, monitoring, assessing content is difficult to approach. Currently all our content is made only for the Crate platform, which means we don't have as much content as User submitted content libraries, but our content does not require vetting and the quality is assured. 

Not to say this isn't a direction we would like to go in in the future! We just have to work out the kinks.


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